BROWN SOUP

[Stoimen]

Below you will find parts in English and German from the Hungarian column by Zsolt Bayer, founder-member of the Hungarian ruling Fidesz Party and confident and personal friend of Prime-Minister Viktor Orbán. The column was published on 5 January 2013 in the Magyar Hirlap.

 

By the end of 2012 there was a scandal on a Hungarian textbook by Prof. Géza Jeszenszky, in which Roma were called mentally ill due to marriages between brothers, sisters and cousins. In January 2013 Roma are called Zigeuner that behave like animals, fuck with anybody, murder if they don't get what they want and shit everywhere. They cannot speak but produce inarticulate noises from their animal skulls. Conclusion by Mr. Zsolt Bayer: they should not exist, nowhere, this (they?) should be solved immediately, and by all means…

 

My questions to you are:

 

ARE WE GOING TO SWALLOW THIS BROWN SOUP?

ARE WE GETTING USED TO NAZI-LIKE LANGUAGE?

ARE WE ACCEPTING THE MEDIA TO KEEP SILENT?

ARE WE ACCEPTING THE PARLIAMENTS TO KEEP SILENT?

ARE WE ACCEPTING THE COURTS TO KEEP SILENT?

 

THEN WE'D BETTER PREPARE FOR ANOTHER PORRAJMOS!

 

On this Khetanes site are hundreds of prominent members of the Roma community. They also have a responsibility. It is not only Mr. Zsolt Bayer, nor the editor of Magyar Hirlap, nor Mr. Bayer's personal friend Viktor Orbán, who is responsible. If they misbehave and no one stirs a finger, then we allow the brown soup to become a brown ocean. We will all drown. It can happen. It happened before…

 

 

Els de Groen

 

 

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Ein Auszug in deutscher Sprache:

 

         http://www.roma-service.at/dromablog/?p=21296

und (mit Bildern) in:

         http://pusztaranger.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/fidesz-hassprediger-zs...

 

(…) Der Großteil der Zigeuner ist zum Zusammenleben nicht geeignet. Nicht geeignet, unter Menschen zu leben. Diese Zigeuner sind Tiere, und benehmen sich wie Tiere. Sie wollen sich sofort mit jedem paaren/ficken, den sie erblicken. Wenn sie auf Widerstand stoßen, morden sie. Sie entleeren sich/scheißen, wo und wann es sie überkommt. Wenn sie sich darin eingeschränkt fühlen, morden sie. Was sie sehen, wollen sie haben. Wenn sie es nicht sofort bekommen, nehmen sie es sich und morden. Diese Zigeuner sind jeglicher menschlich zu nennender Kommunikation unfähig. Aus ihren Tierschädeln brechen höchstens unartikulierte Laute hervor, und das Einzige, was sie von dieser elenden Welt verstehen, ist Gewalt.

(…) Schaut euch die Ratte, die Gergő Sávoly niedergestochen hat, und seine Kumpanen auf Facebook an. Man sieht es ihnen an, dass sie alle drei potenzielle Mörder sind. Eo ipso Mörder. Man muss sie nicht tolerieren und verstehen, man muss Vergeltung an ihnen üben. Und hier begeht der idiotische politisch korrekte Teil der westlichen Welt seine größte Sünde: Aus reinem Kalkül und Eigeninteresse tut er so, als müsse man diese Tiere unbedingt tolerieren, sogar respektieren, als stünde ihnen so etwas wie Wertschätzung und Menschenwürde zu. (…) Sie sollen nicht existieren, die Tiere. Nirgendwo. Das muss man lösen – aber sofort und mit allen Mitteln! (…)

(Zsolt Bayer, in: Magyar Hirlap, 5.1.2013)

 

 

English translation:

 

 

(…) The majority of Gypsies is not suited to living in community. Not suited to live amongst humans. These Gypsies are animals, and behave like animals. They immediately want to copulate/fuck with anybody they see. When they encounter resistance they murder. They void themselves/shit where and when it overcomes them. When they feel restrained in that, they murder. What they see, they want to have. If they don't get it immediately, they take it and murder. These Gypsies are incapable of any communication which can be called human. At best, inarticulate noises emerge from their animal skulls, and the only thing they understand in this miserable world is violence.

 

(…) Look at this rat who stabbed Gergó Sávoly on Facebook, and at his cronies. One sees [from their pictures/faces, implied in the sentence] that they are all three potential murderers. Eo ipso murderer. One doesn't have to tolerate and understand them, one must take vengeance upon them. And here the idiotic politically correct part of the western world commits its greatest sin: from pure calculation and self-interest it acts as if one mustn't only unconditionally tolerate these animals, even respect them, as if they were owed something like appreciation and human dignity. (…) They shall [should] not exist, these animals, nowhere. One has to solve this - immediately and by all means! (…)

 

 

Hungarian original text:

 

 

 ungarische Originaltext (the Hungarian original text):

         http://magyarhirlap.hu/ki-ne-legyen

[Helge Lindau]

Was mag in einem solchen Hirn, wie das vom Zsolt Bayer nur vorgehen? Ein Hirn verdreckt mit Hass, braunen Parolen und Populismus. Das perverse an der Sache ist aber, dass er mit solchen Meinungen in Ungarn offene Türen einrennt. Das was der Bayer in der Magyar Hirlap geschrieben hat, ist die latente Meinung eines Großteils der ungarischen Bevölkerung. Worte wie Toleranz, Menschlichkeit und Demokratie sind im heutigen Ungarn Fremdwörter. Künstler und Intellektuelle verlassen das Land, weil sie im braunen Sumpf keine Zukunft finden.

[Stoimen]

FROM WORLD JEWISH CONGRESS:

Leading Hungarian journalist says Gypsies are 'animals' and should be 'cast out of society'
10 January 2013



Zsolt Bayer, a founding member of Hungary's ruling Fidesz party, has come under fire for writing a newspaper column in which he likened the country's Roma minority to animals. "Most Gypsies are not suitable for cohabitation. They are not suitable for being among people. Most are animals, and behave like animals. They shouldn't be tolerated or understood, but stamped out. Animals should not exist. In no way," Bayer wrote in Saturday's edition of 'Magyar Hirlap'. He also attacked the "politically correct Western world" for advocating tolerance and understanding of Roma, who make up around seven percent of Hungary's 10 million-strong population and often are among its poorest and least educated citizens.

Bayer, who in the past referred to Jews "as stinking excrement called something like Cohen", wrote his article in reaction to a New Year's Eve bar fight in which several people were seriously injured and some of the attackers were reportedly Roma.

Justice Minister Tibor Navracsics strongly condemned the article and said Fidesz had no room for anyone "who labels a group of people as animals". Opposition parties said the Hungarian authorities had to decide whether Bayer should be prosecuted for incitement against a minority. They urged Fidesz to expel him. However, Fidesz spokeswoman Gabriella Selmeczi said at a news conference Tuesday that the party would not take a position on the basis of an opinion piece. "Zsolt Bayer wrote this article not as a politician but as a journalist, and we don't qualify the opinions of journalists," she was quoted by AP as saying.

The Federation of Jewish Communities in Hungary (Mazsihisz) also condemned Bayer's article. "Each and every statement that stigmatizes a group of people by their origin and ranks them as animals is against God's commandments and the norms of civilized societies," the Jewish umbrella group said in a reaction, adding: "It is not the first time that this newspaper publicist is offering the annihilation of our fellow citizens." Mazsihisz called on all Hungarians to speak out against such manifestations of racism.



Bayer served as the Fidesz communications chief in the early 1990s. He is a friend of Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and one of the main organizers of the Peace March, events in support of the Orbán government that have drawn huge crowds over the past year. Gordon Bajnai, a former prime minister and potential rival to Orbán at the next elections due in 2014, told the left-leaning daily Nepszava that Bayer was a "stain" on Orban and Fidesz.

On Tuesday, Bayer wrote in another column in 'Magyar Hirlap' that his words in the previous one had been willfully distorted and that his intention was to "make something happen" with the Roma issue. "I want order. I want every decent Gypsy to get on in life in this country and for every Gypsy unable and unfit to live in society to be cast out of society."

In an article published last November in the Hungarian daily 'Népszabadság', World Jewish Congress President Ronald S. Lauder had urged Orbán to take decisive action against those who attack religious and ethnic minorities in the country. He accused the prime minister of not doing enough in the wake of recent anti-Roma and anti-Semitic incidents. "The protection of its minorities is a litmus test for Hungarian democracy," Lauder wrote.

Link: http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/12890/leading_hungarian_...

[Viola Hinz-Hassan Pour Razavi]

That is so terrible - the words one want to say stick at the throat! It is pure horror!!

[Stoimen]

Some more reactions:

Hungarian pol's comparison of Roma to animals fuels furor

09/01/2013 - Racist and anti-Roma comments made by a prominent member of the Hungarian ruling party have caused outrage among the country's politicians, according to the Associated Press.

Zsolt Bayer, a founding member of Fidesz, published a commentary on 5 January in the Magyar Hirlap newspaper that criticized the "politically correct western world" for showing tolerance for Roma. Taking a New Year's Eve bar brawl as a starting point, Bayer said that "a significant part of the Roma are unfit for co-existence. They are not fit to live among people. These Roma are animals and they behave like animals."



Roma in Sajokaza, Hungary
Justice Minister Tibor Navracsics condemned the remarks, and opposition parties urged Fidesz to expel Bayer from its ranks. A spokeswoman for the party said it will take no position on the matter because the article was an opinion piece. Bayer published another commentary in Magyar Hirlap on 8 January, claiming his intention to "make something happen" in order to solve the Roma issue has been misinterpreted.

Anti-Roma rhetoric has been one of the key factors in the increasing popularity of the far-right Jobbik party, which entered the Hungarian parliament in 2010 and could be a rival to the conservative, populist Fidesz.

The Fidesz-led government's point man for minority issues, Human Resources Minister Zoltan Balog, has been praised for his focus on Roma integration, but critics say he has not been given sufficient power or funding to implement an ambitious agenda.

Link: http://www.tol.org/client/article/23540-racist-comments-trigger-ire...

[Stoimen]

A Fidesz spokeswoman says that Fidesz will take no position on the matter, because the column by Zsolt Bayer is an opinion piece...

Does this mean that a racist opinion is no racism anymore?

Everything in this world starts with an opinion and with sharing this opinion.

The more people share an opinion, the bigger are the chances that it becomes a doctrine.

Hitler's racial doctrines also started as opinions...

One more important word, is "popularity". Anti-Roma rhetoric has increased the popularity of far-right Jobbik that could be a rival to the populist Fidesz...

What we face in Hungary and elsewhere in Europe, is a dangerous and irresponsible fight for votes and power.

[Grattan Puxon]

 

BROWN SOUP - LET'S PROTEST TOGETHER ON ROMA NATION   DAY!

The Nazis made soap out of us. Today's

neo-nazis are stirring up a brown soup of

deformation and wicked lies, Els de Groen

warns. We won't swallow it!

Let's all come out and protest together

about this ugly rise in anti-Roma racism

and violence, the evictions and deportations,

and not least apartheid segregation in

schools.

We in London, Roma now in the UK from

Bulgaria, Romania, Czech Republic, Poland

and other countries, will gather in a

public park on Sunday 7 April to

demonstrate our unity and solidarity,

and our opposition to murder and

marginalization.

If you are now planning a Roma Nation Day

event in your city, your town, and believe that

by co-ordinating our protests across Europe,

across the globe, we can better get our

voice heard - please consider contacting the

8 April Movement at

[e-mail]

Already the European Roma Movement,

Yag Bari, Roma Center Gottingen, Minority

Rights Center (Belgrade), Europe-Roma,

London Roma BG and numbers of others

are coming to gether for "joined-up" action.

No one organization is "in charge". The

idea is just to "co-ordinate" as equals to

build a bigger mobilization in response

to what is now a crisis situation.

Petar Antic

Toma Mladenov

Angel Invanov

Ladislav Balaz

Grattan Puxon

Lavinia Olmazu

for

8 April Movement

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PROTESTS IN BUDAPEST OVER ANTI-ROMANI ARTICLE

Hungary: Hundreds protest governing party over anti-Romani commentary
Budapest, 14/01/2013 - Several hundred supporters of the opposition in Hungary demonstrated yesterday against racist statements made about the Romani minority by a co-founder of the conservative governing party Fidesz in front of the party's headquarters in Budapest. The protest was organized by the Democratic Coalition group of former socialist PM Ferenc Gyurcsányi.
Last week there was some public outcry over a newspaper article authored by Zsolt Bayer, now a commentator, in which he compared Romani people to animals. Bayer was responding to news reports of a brawl in a village pub during Christmas during which several Romani people stabbed a group of athletes, one of whom lost his life.

Read more on http://www.romea.cz/en/news/hungary-hundreds-protest-governing-part...

[Stoimen]

FROM CNN:

Hungary's alarming climate of intolerance
By Lydia Gall, Special to CNN

Editor's note: Lydia Gall is the Eastern Europe and the Balkans researcher at Human Rights Watch. The views expressed are her own.

18/01/2013 - A prominent columnist calls for a "final solution" for Hungary's Roma population. A member of parliament calls for drawing up a list of Jewish people involved in Hungarian politics. Two-thirds of those asked in an opinion poll say they wouldn't let their child be friends with a Romani child. Another poll suggests a similar number believe Jewish people have too much influence. One doesn't have to be a student of history to be worried about the growing climate of intolerance in Hungary.

The hatred clutching Hungary has deepened since the present government took office in 2010 and made a gradual shift to the right. The ongoing campaign by Fidesz, the ruling party, to undermine the rule of law and its clampdown on human rights has contributed to the current state of chauvinistic attitudes in the public domain toward minorities and other vulnerable groups. Government silence has allowed right wing parties such as Jobbik to accelerate hate speech against minorities as well as people within its own ranks, while paramilitaries close to Jobbik carry out intimidating marches through Roma settlements.

The latest example came on January 5, when Zoltan Bayer, a member of Fidesz and a close friend of Prime Minister Viktor Orban, wrote a column in Magyar Hirlap, a right wing paper with close ties to the government. The article was a response to the stabbings of two Hungarian youths on New Year's Eve, allegedly by Roma assailants. Bayer wrote:

"A significant part of the Roma are unfit for coexistence. They are not fit to live among people. These Roma are animals, and they behave like animals. When they meet with resistance, they commit murder. They are incapable of human communication. Inarticulate sounds pour out of their bestial skulls. [.] These animals shouldn't be allowed to exist. In no way. That needs to be solved - immediately and regardless of the method."

Bayer's column was widely condemned. The deputy prime minister, Tibor Navracsics, spoke out against it shortly after, and EU Commissioners Viviane Reding and Neelie Kroes condemned Bayer's statements. But there was no official condemnation by Fidesz or crucially from Orban himself. The newspaper initially distanced itself from Bayer's statement before changing tack, supporting Bayer's right to free speech and calling on readers to support the government.

Racist speech even finds a platform in parliament. In November, Marton Gyongyosi, a Jobbik member and vice chairman of the parliament's foreign affairs committee, made headlines when he asked for a list of Jews in government and parliament as they may "present a national security risk to Hungary." One week later, Orban finally condemned Gyongyosi's statement.

The Hungarian government has included the works of openly anti-Semitic writers as obligatory reading in public schools, and is paying tribute to Hungary's interwar regent Admiral Miklos Horthy by allowing  statues of him in public space and keeping silent at right wing attempts to rehabilitate him. Horthy was responsible for the deportation of 400,000 Hungarian Jews to Auschwitz.

In August 2012, the government's initial silence was deafening when Hungarian supporters were chanting "Dirty Jews" during a friendly game between Hungary and Israel, an incident for which FIFA (International Federation of Association Football) penalized the Hungarian football federation. It took the government a week to issue a condemnation of the anti-Semitic chants, though condemnation should have been immediate and uncompromising.

While the government is doing precious little to curb the downward spiral of intolerance, the all-powerful and politically appointed media council is busy trying to silence opposition voices in the media who could speak out against people like Bayer. It has tried repeatedly to deny Klubradio, a leading independent radio station, a license. The state broadcaster, MTVA, has fired hundreds of journalists, officially due to financial cutbacks. But it's not hard to conclude the real reason is to rid itself of critical voices. Journalists working for the state broadcaster report that editorial interference is the norm.

While freedom of expression is a cornerstone in any democratic society, it also follows that democratically elected governments must guarantee that freedom to everybody without discrimination and not only to media outlets loyal to the government. Yet, freedom of expression is not absolute, and the government should publicly condemn at the highest level speech that incites discrimination or hostility toward specific groups and dissuade others from following suit.

With violence and discrimination against Roma a pervasive and longstanding problem, and anti-Semitic attacks on people and memorials increasing, there is an urgent need for the Hungarian government and prime minister to address these alarming trends and for Hungary's international partners to impress upon its leaders  that the situation is not acceptable. In May, unknown assailants scrawled slogans on a Jewish monument in Budapest, such as "This is not your country, dirty Jews" and "You are going to be shot here." In October, a Jewish leader was attacked in Budapest. During a demonstration on the national holiday in October, Jobbik supporters burned Israeli flags and chanted "Dirty Jews!"

If the Hungarian government fails to firmly distance itself from and condemn speech inciting hostility and discrimination toward the country's most vulnerable minorities, vigilante groups and right wing parties could interpret the silence as tacit consent to further whip up ethnic tensions. That would deepen the climate of intolerance and risk wider - potentially fatal - violence.

Link: http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2013/01/18/hungarys-alarmin...

[Stoimen]

From EU Observer:

Political parties drive hate in EU, commission says
By Nikolaj Nielsen
Brussels, 29/01/2013 - Far-right political discourse is feeding hatred throughout the EU and could harm the European project in the upcoming 2014 European Parliament elections, says the European Commission.

Disparaging words geared towards minority groups like Roma, Muslims, Jews and immigrants are becoming more common as elected officials attempt to woo a growing number of the voting electorate rooted in populist movements.
"Not since World War II have extreme and populist forces had so much influence on the national parliaments as they have today. In some countries even neo-nazis have been elected," said EU home affairs commissioner Cecilia Malmstrom in Brussels on Monday (28 January).

Her words came a day after Italy’s former prime minister Silvio Berlusconi praised the leadership of ex-dictator and fascist Benito Mussolini. Mussolini had passed a raft of anti-Jewish laws before joining forces with Hitler.

Meanwhile, Greece's far-right Golden Dawn party on Monday celebrated the leadership role of Nikolaos Dertilis, a former colonel who helped put in place a dictatorial rule following a bloodless coup in 1967. The takeover threw the country into martial law where dissent was met with brutal force.

Read more on http://euobserver.com/justice/118873

[Stoimen]

Below an analysis by Karel Nirenberg, writer and filmmaker, who joined Khetanes this month. Please, visit his interesting blog http://www.rabble.ca

Canadian government to persecuted Roma people in Hungary: 'Stay home'
By Karl Nerenberg

01/02/2013 - Early in January of this year, Zsolt Bayer, a founder of Hungary's ruling Fidesz Party and a confidant of Hungary's current Prime Minister, told a journalist: "Most Gypsies are not suitable for cohabitation. They are not suitable for being among people. Most are animals, and behave like animals. They shouldn't be tolerated or understood, but stamped out. Animals should not exist. In no way."
 That hateful screed engendered some pushback. There were calls from Hungary's beleaguered opposition forces for Prime Minister Victor Orban to strip his old friend of his Party membership and condemn what was, almost literally, a call to genocide.

But Orban did neither.

The forces of the extreme right -- most prominently the neo-Nazi Jobbik Party -- are so strong in Hungary that the notionally "mainstream" conservatives in power do not dare take the risk of driving supporters their way.

As one observer has noted, hatred of the Roma (Gypsy) minority is one of the few matters on which there is consensus in Hungary these days.

A prominent member of Fidesz recently compared his Party's situation to former French President Sarkozy's vis-à-vis France's extreme right Front National. He argued that, like Sarkozy, he and his colleagues could not afford to openly confront Jobbik and Hungary's anti-Roma feelings because they would risk the wrath of the voters.

Canada tells Roma: 'Stay home'

At around the same time as all this was happening, the Canadian government was busy putting up billboards in the Hungarian city of Miskolc advertising Canada's new refugee rules and telling Roma that if they seek asylum in Canada they will likely be sent home in short order.

The Mayor of Miskolc, Akos Kriza, finds this to be quite insulting, but not out of a sense of wounded local pride or some humanitarian sentiment. He doesn't want Roma who leave to come back to his city.

Kriza told a Hungarian newspaper that "any returning Roma will have 'proceedings' started against them. If they had sold their apartment or given it back, they cannot get another one. We will increase the number of checks on them by the authorities."

Read more on http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/karl-nerenberg/2013/02/canadian-gov...